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DiscernmentJob 42:7

His Friends Said True Sounding Things for Thirty Chapters

This message is for the reader given correct doctrine that did not fit what was happening to him

Everything they told him was correct and none of it fit.

That is the exact shape of it and it has taken him years to find words for it. Nobody said anything false. He has gone back over it and there is not a sentence he could contradict. The doctrine was right, the verses were real, and the men saying them believed every word.

And what he was left holding was worse than if they had been wrong, because if they had been wrong he could have argued.

Instead he came away with correct theology and a situation it did not describe, and the gap between those two produced a conclusion he has never said out loud: that if the doctrine is right and it does not fit, then the misfit must be him.

There is a book about that and it is thirty-nine chapters long, and God's verdict on the men with the correct doctrine is one sentence.

What they actually said

Here is one of them, in the King James Version, and it is a fair sample:

Remember, I pray thee, who ever perished, being innocent? or where were the righteous cut off? Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same. (Job 4:7-8)

They that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.

That is a real principle and it is stated elsewhere in Scripture. It is not invented and it is not heresy.

The problem is the second clause of the first sentence, and specifically the assumption underneath the question: that the principle covers every case, and therefore that a man in trouble can be read backward from his trouble.

So the content is defensible and the application is a machine, and the machine produces a conclusion about a specific man that is false.

And they keep it up for about thirty chapters, and they get more confident as they go, and by the end they are saying things about Job's private life that they have invented from the shape of his circumstances.

You are not the misfit in this and you were never readable backward from your situation. Job 4:7 shows a real principle applied as a machine, and it is the Holy Spirit rather than a better defense who lets a man see the difference between a true statement and a correct verdict.

The verdict

And then, after everything, God speaks about them, and He says it to their faces.

And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath. (Job 42:7)

Ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right.

Read what that verdict is about. Not their manners. Not their timing, although the timing was atrocious. It is about what they said concerning God.

They had defended Him for thirty chapters, at length, with vigor, using accurate material. And the verdict is that they did not speak of Him the thing that is right.

As my servant Job hath. And there is the comparison, and it is unbearable to anybody who has read the book, because Job spends most of it saying things about God that would get a man removed from most rooms. He accuses. He demands a hearing. He says he would like to argue his case to God's face.

And God's assessment is that the man shouting is the one who spoke rightly of Him.

You are not condemned for the way you have been talking and you were never the one in the wrong for saying it did not fit. Job 42:7 prefers a man's raw complaint to three men's correct doctrine, and it is His Spirit who makes a verdict like that something a man believes about his own case.

What Job actually said

And it is worth having a sample of the man God commends, because it is not pious.

Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him. (Job 13:15)

Both halves. Trust, and I will maintain mine own ways before him, which is a man saying he intends to make his case.

And about the friends:

I have heard many such things: miserable comforters are ye all. Shall vain words have an end? (Job 16:2-3)

Miserable comforters are ye all. He says that to their faces and the book keeps it and God does not correct it.

So the man commended for speaking rightly about God is the one who told the truth about his own situation and refused to accept a correct-sounding account of it that did not match.

That is not rebellion. It is the opposite: it is treating God as somebody who can be spoken to honestly rather than as somebody who has to be managed.

You have permission to say it does not fit and you were never being rebellious by refusing an account that was not true of you. Job 13:15 has a man declare both his trust and his intention to argue, and it is the Holy Spirit who makes honesty toward God a form of faith rather than a breach of it.

What they got right, once

And the thing worth saying in their favor, because this site does not make villains.

So they sat down with him upon the ground seven days and seven nights, and none spake a word unto him: for they saw that his grief was very great. (Job 2:13)

Seven days. On the ground. Silent.

That is the best thing anybody does in the whole book and they did it. They came, they sat, and they said nothing for a week.

Everything went wrong when they opened their mouths, and the reason is worth naming: they could not tolerate the situation being unexplained. The talking was not cruelty. It was their own discomfort finding a use.

And Paul gives the instruction they had been keeping for a week and then abandoned:

Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. (Romans 12:15)

Weep with them that weep. No content requirement in that sentence at all.

You are able to be sat with and you have not been failed by everybody. Job 2:13 records seven silent days as the best thing anybody did, and it is His Spirit who makes presence without explanation a real ministry rather than a failure to help.

The breakthrough

So take the verse somebody handed you and read the whole chapter around it.

Three men defended God for thirty chapters with defensible material and got a one sentence verdict about what they said concerning Him, and the man they were correcting was named as the one who spoke rightly.

You are not the misfit and you have not been failing to fit a correct account. The written word says ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right in Job 42:7 to men who had been defending God at length, and it is the Holy Spirit rather than a better argument who lets a man put down an account that was never true of him.

And the honesty you have been ashamed of is what got commended. You have permission to speak plainly to Him and you were never in the wrong for it. Job 42:7 says as my servant Job hath about the man who had demanded a hearing, and Job 13:15 has him declare trust and intention to argue in the same breath.

Nothing here promises the situation gets explained. The book never tells Job why. What is promised is that God distinguished between correct material and rightly spoken material, out loud, and you were not the party He was displeased with (Job 42:7, Job 13:15), and it is His Spirit rather than your defense who makes reading a whole chapter a receiving.

Declare this over yourself

Say it out loud. You are in Christ and Christ is in you, so the authority to speak over your own condition is genuinely yours, handed to you and never invented. Three men defended God with accurate material for thirty chapters and God's verdict was that they had not spoken of Him the thing that is right, so speak to the correct thing that did not fit your life: you have standing to address it because Scripture addressed it first and did it without making villains of anybody. An ambassador carries the King's word and never his own opinion, so say what God has said and leave the outcome to Him. Every line below is Job 42:7 and Job 13:15 handed back in your own voice, and it is His Spirit, not the argument behind your saying, that makes saying it a receiving.

  1. Correct thing that did not fit my life, you are not the last word on it. The Word of God says ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right to three men who had been defending Him at length.
  2. Conclusion that the misfit is me, you are finished in the name of Jesus. Scripture names the man who complained loudest as the one who spoke rightly of God.
  3. Father, You distinguished out loud between accurate material and rightly spoken material, and You did it in Your own voice. I receive what Your word says in Job 42 and Job 13, and I am reading a whole chapter around one handed verse today.

Why we ask you to say these out loud

The word this stands on

Job 42:7

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